Racing-440 ( 2003 ) Hole shot or Octane switch... ?

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Racing-440 ( 2003 ) Hole shot or Octane switch... ?

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Hallo!
My Racing-440 ( 2003 ) have a resistor in the electric system behind the air box.
I have send a mail to Janne Tapio at BRP in Rovanniemi but not response yet.....
Someone know wich type of fuel can run with the resistor connect....?

I use normally 100 octane RON,
but i dont idea for type of fuel can run with the resistor on!

thanks for help!Bild
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Re: Racing-440 ( 2003 ) Octane switch or... ?

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I disconected the "holeshot button" a while ago.
I have been running Shells V-power ( 99-Octane ) + octane booster an has had trubbel with predetanition (wrong word?).
I can not see any signs on the pistons or hear any predatanation after I cut the holeshot cable down att the MPEM box.
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Re: Racing-440 ( 2003 ) Octane switch or... ?

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Hi Baikal!
ok the Racing 440 use only 98E fuel normally...
even the resistor OFF...
maybe with the resistor ON is not sufficient use 98-100 RON...
ski-doo on 440 2002 MXZ-X use 108 ( RON-MON/2) with HC dome and switch ON!

detonation can cause a lot of problem...
even power jet ??
do you tested it?

Have you disconnect your resistor before or after damage your engine ?
Have you fixed it now ?

This season I have run over 900 Km !!!!
for Italian climate its graeat !!!

Other question i want fit a duoble pipe ( i contac chrank shop vt) but i m not sure the ski-doo ZX pipes can fit on our sleds! we had a frame with fit front shocks!
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Re: Racing-440 ( 2003 ) Octane switch or... ?

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Gabriele82 skrev:Other question I want fit a duoble pipe ( i contac chrank shop vt) but I'm not sure the ski-doo ZX pipes can fit on our sleds! we had a frame with fit front shocks!
I strongly recommend that you do not get a TWIN pipe set up for the little 440 engine !
Remember that you also ride in high altitude in Italy.
Your engine will be out of legs :bad:


Better alternative for you:
1. * Custom made SINGLE pipe for high altitude use,
and custom combustion chambers for your type of gasoline.

2. * Complete 600H.O. engine with everything
( exhaust system, MPEM, carbs and so on ).
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Re: Racing-440 ( 2003 ) Hole shot or Octane switch... ?

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Hi,
What do you mean out of legs ?
If I change only muffler how many HP can increase ?
Why you do not agree fit a twin pipe ?
High altitude less exhaust gas ?

I ride between 1500<--->2400 meters but most time at ~1800 meters.
Should I decrese the preload on rave ?
Rotating the red knob ?
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Re: Racing-440 ( 2003 ) Octane switch or... ?

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Gabriele82 skrev:Hi Baikal!
ok the Racing 440 use only 98E fuel normally...
even the resistor OFF...
maybe with the resistor ON is not sufficient use 98-100 RON...
ski-doo on 440 2002 MXZ-X use 108 ( RON-MON/2) with HC dome and switch ON!

detonation can cause a lot of problem...
even power jet ??
do you tested it?

Have you disconnect your resistor before or after damage your engine ?
Have you fixed it now ?
The reason to my detonation problems is that i live and drive at sealevel and have hc domes + mean ignition curve.

I had engine damages last year:
http://www.lynxtalk.se/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1157
Since then i remove sparkplugs to inspect color and top of piston after evry run,,,

Seems to be all ok after cutting cable.
Maby a small loss of power :'( but no more detonation :)
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Re: Racing-440 ( 2003 ) Hole shot or Octane switch... ?

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ok but how many Km do you run on it before damage engine?
you tell tehre is small difference to performance with resistor off even right?

thanks!
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Keeping as much power as possible in your 440 engine !

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You and Baikal has totally different problems to copy with....

He always rides at sealevel and has about 95-100 Hp at sealevel when carbs are dialed in right.
( he also have to consider predetonation due to a high compression head and maybe a to aggresive ignition timing for sealevel use).

You have to deal with high altitude all the time,
and the little 440 is really finky to get dialed in even at sea level so the trouble for you is much worse to get it dialed in properly ( carbs and clutches ) for high altitude.

Your carbureted engine lose ~20% of it total output at an altitude of just 1600 Meter !!! :'(
So you have only about 75-80 Hp at 1600 meters altitude in that little 440 cc engine.
If it is warmer outside even more power loss.
( This is why you always also have to adjust your clutching, to compensate for the engine power loss ! )


;) If you have the stock head on your 440,
you should suggest to Baikal that you switch them with his High Compression head.
This would be a win-win situation for both of you ! ;)

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Keeping as much power as possible in your 440 engine !

Jetting a 2-stroke engine is somewhat difficult to do.
There are lots of variables that must be observed before it can be jetted properly.
Most professional tuners keep a detailed log of their jetting changes,
and plot those with respect to altitude, temperature and air density changes.

Here are some quick guidelines to keep in mind before attempting to jet your snowmobile:
* At higher altitudes, the engine runs richer (so you must jet leaner).
* The air is less dense at higher altitudes
(so you're essentially getting a smaller volume of air than you do near sea level).
* At warmer temperatures, the engine runs richer (so you must jet leaner).
* During the warm spring, you typically want to use a smaller main jet.
* During the cold winter, you have to use bigger main jet,
and you may even have to raise the jet needle (lower the clip).
* At high humidity or when it's wet, the engine also runs richer
(so you must jet leaner).

Also remember that:
20% of the caburation work will correct 80% of the jetting problems
and get you 90% of the engine's power.
That last 10% of power requires four times as much work.

To get as much power as possible from your little 440 engine without to much hassle and wrenching,
get yourself a Holztman ATACC device.
Link:
* http://www.holtzmaneng.com/Atacc.html
* http://www.holtzmaneng.com/
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The weather makes the biggest difference on your jetting !

The Weather can have a profound affect on the carb jetting because of the changes in air density.
When the air density increases, you will need to richen the air-fuel mixture to compensate.
When the air density decreases, you will need to lean-out the air-fuel mixture leaner to compensate.
Use the following as a guide to correcting your jetting when the weather changes:

Air temperature
When the air temperature increases, the air density becomes lower.
This will make the air-fuel mixture richer.
You must select jet sizes with a lower number to compensate for the lower air density.
When the barometric pressure decreases, the opposite effect occurs.

Humidity
When the percentage of humidity in the air increases, the engine draws in a lower percentage of oxygen during each revolution because the water molecules (humidity) take the place of oxygen molecules in a given volume of air.
High humidity will make the air-fuel mixture richer, so you should change to smaller jets.

Altitude
Generallly, the higher the altitude, the lower the air density.
When riding at high altitude, you should change to smaller jets
and increase the engine’s compression ratio to compensate for the lower air density.

:lovelynx:
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Re: Racing-440 ( 2003 ) Hole shot or Octane switch... ?

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Gabriele82 skrev: 1. What do you mean out of legs ?
2. Why you do not agree fit a twin pipe ?
3. If I change only muffler how many HP can increase ?
4. I ride between 1500<--->2400 meters but most time at ~1800 meters.
Should I decrese the preload on rave button ?
1. "Out of legs"is when you feel and think that your engine has a big torque loss and it will feel weak.
2. When riding in high altitude you want the engine to have a BROAD power band ( Hp and Torque )
and that is what is the biggest disadvantage on the little 440 engine ! :bad:
It has a very peaky and narrow powerband ( NOT good in high altitude ).
If you get TWIN pipes you will have even more narrow and peaky power band and even more difficult to dial in the carbs and clutches. ---> Stay away !
3. Only do this if you also get a custom made SINGLE pipe.
4. NO, you do not need to adjust the RED cap on the RAVE valve cover.
The RED cap on the RAVE valve cover should be
turned all the way in and bottomed in normal use.
Backing the red adjuster out will reduce the spring
preload and allow the RAVE valve to open at a lower
RPM.
At high altitudes, exhaust gas pressures will drop
and the spring preload may have to be decreased.
It is doubtful that any adjustment will be required
up to an altitude of 2400 meters.

Above that,
however, the spring preload can be reduced by
turning the red adjustment screw out up to a maximum
of four turns.
The only other time adjustment of the spring preload
should be considered is if the engine has
been modified.
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